Sole Trader - Multiple Trading Names - How to set up with inland revenue!
kate1111 started this topic @ 20:21 on 23/01/2009
Hi all,
Hoping someone here maybe able to help. I'm confused!
I am planning to set up 3 sole trader business. I have chosen the names to trade under, but want to know how I should go about doing this. I would ideally like to only register one trading name with the inland revenue & put all my accounts through that one self-employment for tax return purposes. I have one main business name I could happily put all the others under.
For example BusinessA would be registered with the inland revenue as my trading name. But I would then like BusinessB and BusinessC as sub-businesses under BusinessA. So I would be happy to market them as "BusinessA trading as BusinessB" and "BusinessA trading as BusinessC". However as a sole trader would I have to market BusinessA as "MyName trading as BusinessA"? And if so how would I do the sub-businesses, "MyName trading as BusinessA trading as BusinessB" sounds a bit ridiculous.
I see it might be simpler to register each one as a separate trading name, but I don't think any will be making large profits & it would be much easier to do all the accounting grouped as one. (I intend on doing my own accounting/tax returns). I also intend on using one personal bank account in my own name for all payments.
Hopefully I've managed to explain what I mean, and haven't missed out anything important!
I have asked the tax office about this, but I'm not sure the person I was speaking to understood what I meant as she kept putting me on hold to check.
(I am also currently part of a partnership business registered with hmrc (and have been doing tax returns for it for many years). Although I have recently moved a long way & as it was a local business we have decided to de-register it soon instead of starting again in the new area.) I gather from the tax office that I do still need to register as a self-employed sole trader even though I am self-employed via this partnership.)
Thankyou in advance!
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RE: Sole Trader - Multiple Trading Names - How to set up with inland revenue!
Ian J | 24/01/2009 10:11 AM
You don't have to register business names with Inland Revenue. All you need do is to register yourself as self employed and whatever business you decide to enter will always be kate1111 trading as Business A or kate1111 trading as Business B
All HMRC are interested in is kate1111.
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RE: Sole Trader - Multiple Trading Names - How to set up with inland revenue!
Peter W | 24/01/2009 11:44 AM
I agree, you should only register with HMRC once. If you register 2 businesses, they will allocate 2 reference numbers to you, and expect 2 tax returns each year.
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RE: Sole Trader - Multiple Trading Names - How to set up with inland revenue!
kate1111 | 24/01/2009 10:07 PM
Thankyou both for the advice.
The person I spoke to at my local tax office said I still needed to register as self employed, even though I fill out tax returns as part of the partnership. I certainly don't want to fill out any more separate tax returns though. The HMRC startup phone line told me I don't need to register with them though as I'm already registered for NI. Is my local tax office wrong?
My initial thought was to not tell them, wait for next year's tax returns & just to tick the self-employed box on the tax return & fill in company names and profits etc there.
Can I assume then that I am already registered as self-employed as the partnership is a self-employed business & the only reason I fill in tax returns? And hence do nothing until I get my next tax returns?
The reason I was thinking I had to register the trading names was because the tax returns ask for this information (and partly because of the confused conversation I had with the tax office).
Kate
RE: Sole Trader - Multiple Trading Names - How to set up with inland revenue!
kate1111 | 27/01/2009 01:59 PM
Any more advice, please?
RE: Sole Trader - Multiple Trading Names - How to set up with inland revenue!
Shane101 | 28/01/2009 12:19 PM
All you need to do is register as a limited company!
Here me out before you blow it out the water!
It will cost a little bit more or get an accountant to do it but register as a limited company and the other business's would be subsidiaries of the main business, which is your one trading name.
This will enable you to put through cost & sales of all the business's under one umbrella company
The main advantages of incorporating your business activities in a limited company can be summarised as follows:
• The company has a legal existence separate from management and its members (the shareholders)
• Members' liability is limited
• The company's name is protected
• It has flexible borrowing powers
• The company continues despite the death, resignation or bankruptcy of management and members
• The interests and obligations of management are defined
• Appointment, retirement or removal of directors is straightforward
• New shareholders and investors can be easily assimilated
• Employees can acquire shares
• Approved company pension schemes usually provide better benefits than those paid under contracts with the self-employed and those in non-pensionable employment
• The level of premium that directors can pay is restricted but there is no limit on the overall contributions paid by the company for the directors, although there is a maximum benefit limit imposed by the Inland Revenue Superannuation Fund Office
• Taxation - sole traders, partners and partnerships pay income tax. Sole traders' and partners' income is taxed as the proprietors' income, regardless of how much profit is retained as working capital, and interest on loans to the business is taxed as their income
• Partners are liable personally and jointly for partnership tax and if a partner dies, the surviving partners are responsible for partnership tax
• Directors pay income tax and the company pays corporation tax on company profits, and with current rates of tax company profits earned and retained in the business are assessed to corporation tax at lower rates than if income tax were payable on equivalent profits earned by an unincorporated business
Good Luck
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Shane