aquamarina1 started this topic @ 18:31 on 04/03/2007
Hi there
Can you tell me why some companies do not accept credit card payments on their websites? Like many gambling sites do not. Is there an additional cost to be made to a payment provider or to a bank? Or maybe there is an increase risk (fraud etc)?
We are about to start up a small venture and cannot really decide why some of our competitors do not accept credit cards on their websites... Any help will be appreciated.
RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
Philt | 04/03/2007 06:45 PM
Hi Aquamarine,
There is indeed a cost for transacting via a credit card company. If you are a start-up and want to go with a transaction agent like Worldpay, it will cost circa 4% on each transaction.
There could be a host of other reasons though but this might be why.
Phil
RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
SysOps | 04/03/2007 06:50 PM
Originally posted by: aquamarina1
Hi there
Can you tell me why some companies do not accept credit card payments on their websites? Like many gambling sites do not. Is there an additional cost to be made to a payment provider or to a bank? Or maybe there is an increase risk (fraud etc)?
We are about to start up a small venture and cannot really decide why some of our competitors do not accept credit cards on their websites... Any help will be appreciated.
Hi aquamarina1,
You are quite correct, transaction cost and the possibility of fraud are the two main reasons. In some instances, a business may not be able to get merchant facilities, because they are offering a particularly risky product.
Transaction costs vary depending on who you use for your merchant account and on your volume of transactions. You can expect to pay anything from 3% to 5%.
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RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
aquamarina1 | 04/03/2007 07:04 PM
P.S. We are thinking of doing our online payments with Nochex, and as far as we understand it is the same charge for credit cards as there hsve for debit cards. Can anyone using Nochex confirm that? If that's true, there I guess that's one less reason to have of why not to accept credit cards on our website.
Also, does anyone know the following - is it possible to restrict the cards that we use on our website? In other words, can we tell Nochex that we want to use only debit cards? Is that common practice?
Thanks once again for anyone who can reply.
RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
SysOps | 04/03/2007 07:15 PM
The problem with peer-to-peer payment solutions such as Nochex and PayPal is that they require your buyer to sign up for an account. This makes the whole process much more clunky, as well as looking quite unprofessional.
You can get away with this in some situations (e.g. it's ideal for Ebay sales, or perhaps if you're selling small, low value items), but for most businesses selling online via their own site it is not a good option from a customer trust point of view.
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RE: RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
aquamarina1 | 04/03/2007 07:27 PM
Thanks SysOps
We do have fairly low monetary value goods, soNochex is okay for us, no consumer sign up is required, but we are yet to look at the whole process to understand how easy it really is.
You are saying that from customer trust point of view it is not a good option buying online, hence they probably prefer to buy with a credit card (like I do!). Which is fair enough I guess. But as a business, we are trying to understand the reasons why not to accept credit cards. For instance, the other day I signed up for the National Lottery account (just to see really their registration and activation process!), and as I discovered, they, for one, do not accept credit cards. Any ideas why?
RE: RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
SysOps | 04/03/2007 07:49 PM
Ah, I see Nochex have introduced a new merchant account which allows you to carry out transactions without user signup - that's good. However, I note that they still require you to redirect users to their site to collect the payment details. This leads to several additional steps, and in not something I would recommend for business sites.
As for your credit card question - the fact is processing credit card transactions is more costly than debit card transactions, so for low value items a site might choose to only accept debit cards. However, a debit card provides almost no consumer protection to the buyer, whereas a credit card provides a very good level of consumer protection. As such, limiting your payment method to DC only is a bad idea.
Unless transaction costs are going to play a major role in your finances, you should accept the widest range of cards your merchant account provider will allow you to.
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RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
clickedon | 04/03/2007 10:36 PM
PayPal no longer requires customers to have an account, either.
Many customers actually prefer to go through the PayPal site to make payment - it's familiar, and they are assured of it's safety. It also allows them purchase using multiple funds - e.g. existing balance from Ebay sales, credit card or bank transfer. Compared to paying on adodgywebsite.com, it can be an attractive option.
Some retailers find they actually get fewer chargebacks when customers pay via PayPal. It used to be seen as an unprofessional solution, but even blue chips are starting to accept it as a payment system.
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RE: RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
SysOps | 05/03/2007 08:41 AM
Originally posted by: clickedon
Some retailers find they actually get fewer chargebacks when customers pay via PayPal. It used to be seen as an unprofessional solution, but even blue chips are starting to accept it as a payment system.
While there are some situations where PayPal may be a good option (e.g. where your target audience will almost all have PayPal accounts anyway, and may well prefer to use PayPal - Skype is a good example of this), I don't believe it is an appropriate solution for most online sales.
The ease of account setup works two ways - it means that a business which may not be able to get a merchant account can accept CC payments, but this is not necessarily a good thing.
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RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
para | 05/03/2007 01:13 PM
I Use Paypal and have been very happy with them. It is very secure and most people recognise them.
However, On one of my other site I use www.2checkout.com and also they are very good and the customer service is Excellent. I recommend them highly. Go and checkout their website.
Regards
Para
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RE: RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
aquamarina1 | 05/03/2007 01:51 PM
Thanks para, will check them out. Nochex offers exactly same service as Paypal and seems to be slightly cheaper option, which is best for us as we have low value products and each transaction will bring very little profit, hence the need to minimize per transaction cost. Out of interest, how much does 2checkout charge per transaction?
Thankx
RE: RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
DaveH | 08/03/2007 08:03 PM
A lot of customers dislike Paypal (and probably Nochex etc) because they lose the consumer rights normally afforded through credit card transactions. In case of dispute, they have to fight it out with Paypal rather than the credit card company. Based on bitter experience (much wasted time and lost money), I avoid using Paypal whenever possible - and I am far from alone. Check out http://paypalsucks.com/ and http://www.aboutpaypal.org/
RE: RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
aquamarina1 | 09/03/2007 10:31 PM
Hi Dave,
I completely agree with you about paypal, as had friends who complained about them. However, I don't think that there are as many people who oppose nochex, at least i do not know anyone personally and could not find any bad sites, like the ones you mention for paypal above, on the internet. Nochex is cheaper than paypal as well, no consumer sign up required, so we thought why not. we cant open merchant account with a bank yet as no trading history...also, our products of a low value so i dont think, or at least, i hope anyone will dispute and make chargebacks.
thanks for your input everyone,
marina
RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
craigmc | 10/03/2007 07:11 PM
I noticed that Paypal are now offering a Virtual Terminal for Offline transactions. There is currently no sign up fee.
RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
tenoch | 22/05/2008 11:59 PM
@aquamarina1
you answered your question, that is right... things that companies look at is the cost of the transaction which can be relatively high and yes the risk of fraud and tapping into the account involved....
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RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
jaffer12 | 14/06/2008 09:27 PM
if a gambling website doesn't accept credit cards, how else would they charge their customers?
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RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
Kaabi | 15/06/2008 02:16 AM
I know, without accepting credit cards, what other options are there, besides specific payment processors?
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RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
cre8ivemary | 17/06/2008 04:08 PM
i feel it is beneficial to offer a selection i.e. paypal and credit card.
There are many card companies to help such as protex, nochex and streamline and yes they do require a surcharge for each payment that goes through.
Most people will prefer paypal as it is safer over cards, generally speaking.
RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
jackiecam | 19/06/2008 12:15 AM
What I have done is offer three payment provider solutions and, within them, the paying customer can choose his option.
1. I use Paypal, which allows the customer to either use his/her Paypal account or a simple Credit Card transaction (using the Paypal service to process the payment, but the customer does not even have to be with Paypal). Paypal also allows higher amounts than NoChex (until some trading history is built up with NoChex) and allows non-Sterling transactions.
2. I use Nochex. A straightforward Payment Service Provider. At the start-up level, is Sterling only. Gets around anyone "scared of" Paypal.
3. I use Google Checkout. The customer inputs his Google Checkout details, not his Credit Card details and the money arrives from Google. Google, in turn take the customer's money from the Customer's pre-registered Credit Card.
Each service gets its transaction fees taken out of the advertised price - you need to pay careful attention to these, especially if you are selling low-value items, where an x% plus 20p could make it very expensive - if that 20p is a high percentage of the price.
With these three options, no trading history is required. And you don't need a Merchant Bank Sponsor.
RE: Reasons not to accept credit cards
googler | 20/06/2008 05:01 PM
i would never have a credit card - if you cant afford it your not ment to have it