chris-osl started this topic @ 04:44 on 07/08/2004
Next week I am attending a meeting with ADDER. ADDER is a charity set up to help those with dystonia.
They have a website:
http://www.dystonia.co.uk/
which in my opinion, is in drastic need of improvement.
I know they're strapped for cash so what I want to do is give them a range of ideas that can then form the basis for a grant application.
Therefore what I am asking is for a list of changes - please be specific - that could reasonably be done to the website for £500. I am not asking if YOU would do the change rather, based on your knowledge of likely prices, what could be achieved for £500.
In that way, I hope, designers AND customers of designers will respond to this post.
I'll then make a list and attend the meeting with the suggestions in hand. This, hopefully, will then lead ADDER to take steps to improve the site.
I'll probably try and slot the suggestions into the 7Cs framework as outlined here:
A quick look at a common way to evaluate and critique websites - the 7 C's approach.
There are many ways to evaluate the design elements of websites. One such process is the Seven Design Elements of the Customer Interface, also known as the 7C's Framework. It is used pretty extensively at university level.
As the name suggests, the 7C's Framework consists of seven different elements, each starting with the letter C - Context, Content, Commerce, Community, Connection, Communication and Customisation. We will not take a look at each specific element in some detail.
Context
Context refers to the sites layout and design. It can be split into two main subcategories - form (or aesthetics) and function.
Function is concerned primarily with usability. While this includes platform independence and accessibility, it also looks at the speed, reliability and navigational performance of a website.
Form on the other hand looks at the visual features and layout, including the colour scheme, visual theme, typography, photography and other graphics.
Furthermore you can classify the site as either aesthetically dominant (graphic heavy), functionally dominant (may not look great but works well) or ideally, integrated.
Content
Content is concerned with all the websites contents, like text, imagery, video and sound.
The websites Offering Mix refers to how much weight is given to products, services and information.
The Appeal Mix describes how the website promotes these offerings (through a rational or emotional appeal).
The Multimedia Mix is how graphical elements are combined while the Timeliness Mix describes how time sensitive (dynamic) the information needs to be.
Finally you can classify the website as being either product, information or service dominant.
Commerce
Commerce is simply the websites capacity to sell a product or service, mostly through online means.
Commerce features include user registration, the shopping cart, security, credit card approval, affiliate ordering, delivery, tracking and technology which allows products and services to be put together in different ways.
Commerce classification is easy. It can be low, medium or high.
Community
How does the site enable interaction between its users?
The most obvious example of this is a forum. How do members participate and what motivates them to join? What benefits do they get and how do they interact? Is it real time or is there a delay in communication?
Community can be classified as non-existent, limited or strong.
Connection
Connection refers to how the site is linked to other websites.
There are many ways to link to other sites, some of them being through the use of outside links (taking the user completely off the site and onto a new one), framed links (open in the same browser but are framed by the original site) or popups (open in a new window).
Additionally content can be outsourced with either the source acknowledged or not.
The site can be classified as being either a destination site (self generated content), a hub site (combination of self generated and outsourced content) or a portal, which is almost exclusively outsourced content.
Communication
Does the site communicate with its users?
Communication can be classified as broadcast, which includes mass mailing, FAQ, newsletters and reminders. Interactive communication is where the user can reply and includes dialog, customer service and user input.
Communication can be classified as being one-to-many (nonresponding user), one-to-many (responding user), one-to-one (nonresponding user) and one-to-many (responding user).
Customisation
Does the website allow for customisation based on user preferences?
Personalisation is when the customisation is initiated by the user and can include content and layout changes, agents to notify the user of events etc.
Tailoring is when the customisation is initiated by the website often through the use of cookies. Sites can recommend products based on users past purchases etc.
Customisation can be classified as being generic (none), moderately customised or highly customised.
Performing this analysis on your own work is a great way to specifically look at each area and find your own ways to improve on your work. Try to be as honest as you can and it will be of great help.
References
Introduction to E Commerce - Rayport, J & Jaworski, B
Source:http://www.digitallydriven.com/news_info.php?n=110&sc=25&filter=7C&
Thanks!
Chris
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
longplay | 07/08/2004 03:21 PM
To be honest, I had a quick look at the site and, as a designer, it would be faster to create a new design and migrate the content than modify what's there.
I mean, there's nothing technically wrong with your current site, it does the job, but some of the things that put me off as a designer and a potential problems: you use frames, a complete no-no for accessibility and SEO reasons, you have a range of fonts, seemingly randomly, the colour isn't good.
You're not doing anything complex, and if you're willing to migrate the content, a complete overhaul should be withing your budget.
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
chris-osl | 07/08/2004 03:24 PM
Hi
please rememebr that it's not my site. I am simply trying to help the charity ADDER by presenting suggestions.
OK let's say you revamped it completely, how would you design it if given a free hand over design and layout provided the content was broadly the same?
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
longplay | 07/08/2004 04:18 PM
That's a bit like asking how long is a piece of string.
And it'll differ depending on the designer.
A couple of examples of sites in a similar vein that I would suggest as possible ideals to look to:
http://www.netadvisor.co.uk/makeover/62/index.htm
http://www.netadvisor.co.uk/makeover/52/index.htm
Both were designed by a guy working for Internet Advisor magazine for one of their features (perhaps you could submit the site you're talking about).
The bith convey the info clearly and in an accessible way, few images, but I most charities are unlikely to have someone good with graphics working for them and if graphics aren't done right it's not worth having them.
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
chris-osl | 08/08/2004 02:46 AM
Careless readers of this:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,4284,748880,00.html
might indeed think the motto was 'bloody typical' not Erimus!
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
chris-osl | 08/08/2004 10:23 AM
Paul,I posted asking members for suggestions.
You responded and offered your own suggestions.
Because you said 'made' I simply asked where the suggestions were as, in addition to the ones you had stated, I thought there were more.
You then had doubts as to who you were and proceeded to exclaim that I needed a reality check and that I lacked the ability to read posts.
I then link to a newspaper article about Middlesborough simply because of the motto - you somehow thought I wrote the article.
You then glazed over - having sniped at me for being a teacher. (Does this reveal a hatred of authority - backed up by later 'glazing over?)
I continued to offer you help but you responded by wanting the whole thread removed and therefore my request for help for the charity removed.
Thus not content to attack me you want to harm the charity.
You continued confusion in your own posts does not help a business that prides itself on clear communication; your inability to understand the difference between 'authorship' and 'reference to' does not help communication.
Your glazing over - for reasons not clear - cannot be of any help to you.
Over 70% of your entire posts on these forums have either been attacking me or the charity.
The fact that you have got up early after a few hours sleep only and make just the one post on these forums - and that is to ask for the removal of a thread set up to help a charity, speaks volumes. There is nothing to stop you deleting your posts if you're embarrassed over them.
As a Junior Member here you only have to look at posts made by others and you'll see that no-one else has asked for removal of threads where the purpose of the thread is to ask for help for the disabled.
These are forums where members meet and exchange ideas for mutual gain - think on that.
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
Ian J | 08/08/2004 12:54 PM
Chris - I am no website expert but your site does look very amateurish. That doesn't really matter on it's own as it is very easy to find by inputting the word dystonia into Google.
I had similar problems with my own site which also looked home made but ranked fairly well so I got a friend of mine at www.equinoxdesign.co.uk to design me a new site but incorporating the text from my home made effort.
This was the most cost effective route for me and I see no reason why the same couldn't be done for your site within your budget
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
chris-osl | 08/08/2004 01:50 PM
Hi Ian
Thanks for your comments. What I am trying to do is be able to present a list of criticisms to ADDER when I see them this week. These criticisms must be precise and correctable within a budget of £500 or so. These criticisms will then form part of their application for a grant.
Only then will they look for web designers.
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
pujakapoor | 08/08/2004 02:27 PM
Hi Chris!
Suggestions:
1. Colour scheme definately needs to be change.
2. Font size needs a change, and style too.
3. Some images and graphics could be used in some of the pages. it will make it look more classy (but ie entirely depends on client)
4. Logo needs a change. But if client is happy with this logo and identifies himself with it, then maybe with slight changes in logo could be incorported.
Functioality is fine. But what I feel there are some pages which are inconsistent with other pages. There needs to be a common standard, colour scheme, flow among all the pages.
Hope it is helpful to you.
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
pujakapoor | 08/08/2004 02:38 PM
Hi Chris!
Just forget to mention that it would be much better to redesign a website from scratch rather making changes in it. Because in this way designer will have to spend less time. Plus if the content and pages of the website will remain some what same, then I think it could be done in allocated budget.
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
chris-osl | 08/08/2004 03:53 PM
Thanks!
Re the font - what would you change it to and would it be bigger? smaller?
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
pujakapoor | 08/08/2004 04:25 PM
Hi Chris!
Font style should be normal arial or verdana. And size should be bigger (12 or 14 pt). I have designed a web site for a charity and I have used font size 14 to make it accessible to disable audience. That's the reason to use more images/ graphics so that it could be easily accessible to the audience with disordes/ or some disabilities.
hope it helps you.
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
marks | 08/08/2004 07:34 PM
Hmmmm weird thread. I think some comments have been removed?
I think the site is pretty straightforward, and to say that it couldn't be revamped for £500 is nonsense. I would have thought most designers with a copy of dreamweaver could knock off a revamp in a few hours.
I would advise that you:
1) have it rewritten in XHTML & CSS to make it accessible. This is important for the future, when people may access your site on mobile devices. It helps Google etc, and also allows the disabled to use their special browsers without trouble. This should form the centrepiece of your presentation to the people running the charity. To have a website for such a charity and not having it accessible is not good. I believe it's also against the law now.
2) I agree get rid of the frames. You haven't got much content - you just don't need them.
3) Improve the colours & fonts. Probably use blue as your main colour to give authority, on a white background, with some other contrasting colour for emphasis eg. green
4) Revamp the logo? It's currently a cross between the UN and the international symbol of medicine. Obviously if the charity's using it already and it's on letterheads etc, you'll just have to leave it, but it's not distinctive and looks like clipart.
5) Take the email addresses off the site - you'll get a lot of spam to those addresses.
6) Ask the designer NOT to use fixed font sizes, so your users can resize the text as they want.
If you post the project on www.freelancers.net, you'll probably get an Indian programmer to do it for around £50, which represents the best use of your charity's resources. More hassle than a developed world designer, but they priced themselves out of the market years ago.
If you don't want to do that, post the project at your local uni or college and I'm sure you'll find someone willing to do it at a cost-effective price.
Cheers
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
chris-osl | 08/08/2004 08:09 PM
Thanks both of you for your posts - very useful.
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RE: Website Improvement within a Budget
bd937347 | 09/08/2004 12:29 AM
This thread has become the most surreal topic on this forum ever. Does anyone read anymore before shooting their mouth off. Maybe I have some super human powers, or maybe I took the time to read Chris' post, but it is obvious me what Chris has sked for. For all those who are having a pop - either wind your neck in and give some quality feedback or else bugger off.