N-I-C-K started this topic @ 22:14 on 11/04/2006
Hi,
I'm currently working part time as a employee and I want to start my own business selling dvds, cds and video games. I'm going to be online based.
I'm not going to be VAT registered because I won't be making enough. This venture is just a extra income and if I make a profit of even £100 a month i'll be happy enough.
I'm just wondering would it be wise for me to register as a LTD Business, Sole trader or just don't bother. I've seen sites online which will register you a business for as little as £25. This would make me look that little bit more professional by having a company number.
If say I only make £100 profit per month, would that effect my tax rate which I pay at the moment via my employer. Also would I have to pay more National Insurance.
I've found a few suppliers at the moment and the margins are not that bad on older titles (dvds, cds e.c.t.). I've not registered with them yet. Would having a proper registered company improve your relationship with your suppliers/wholesalers.
When It comes to taking credit/debit card payments, i'd need a merchant account and business account i'm I right in thinking that. Would you need to be registered to get one of these.
Thanks in advanced for any info or advice.
RE: Starting My Own Business
James Smith | 12/04/2006 09:24 AM
In terms of structure, in your position I would generically suggest being a sole trader until you have proven your business model, it isn’t that hard to switch later on.
You may well be able to register a company for £25, but this is highly deceptive - it will cost you the best part of £1,000 getting the thing run properly and all your accounts filed. This is not something most people are able to do themselves - I actually file accounts for several qualified accountants who know enough to know they don’t know how to do it properly. For a sole trader you may just about be able to do your own tax return, although if you want to get it done properly you would be talking a couple of hundred pounds.
Not being a limited company does however make it a little harder with suppliers - some may insist upon it. Merchant accounts won’t be a problem.
The real question however I think you have is why do you think you can make any money in this market? Margins are wafer thin and you won’t have any real buying power? What is your niche? You have chosen a huge area there. Why will people know about you? Why will they buy from you? How are you going to compete? If you can work out what the major players dont do properly you may be onto a winner, if you try and compete head on withthe likes of CD-wow and Amazon you anrt likely to be doing this for very long. Dont mean to sound negative but this is such a competitive area, and you need big money to get enough stock cheap enough to even breakeven, let alone turn a good profit.
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RE: Starting My Own Business
just.b | 12/04/2006 11:31 AM
If you register as Sole Trader, you have to declare it with the IR and then you will start paying an extra £2 something a week (usually by invoice every 3 months - I am now on direct debit). Then at the end of the tax year, you have to complete your self-assessment (make sure you keep records, receipts and purchases, from day one). The IR run free courses, whether you are registered or not, and you can find out what records you need to keep. It's a good idea to have a system from day one. Excel can be enough to work with the first year. The Accountant then comes in handy to decipher all the figures!
If you are concerned about your current employer, I was as welll, but it hasn't changed a thing. I thought my tax code would change straight away and it hasn't and it's actually not affecting it.
To have a Merchant Account, you need to open a Business Account with a Bank. There are a lot of costs there again.
It seems a lot of work just for £100 a month though.
Bear in mind you'll have to advertise, etc.
RE: RE: Starting My Own Business
N-I-C-K | 15/04/2006 01:01 PM
Thanks for your replies, was is the threshold for earnings before you have to declare it.... people sell in the loot, papers, ebay, carboot sales all the time...
RE: RE: Starting My Own Business
rocket | 15/04/2006 04:11 PM
I *think* the threshold is round about £6000, but James or someone will be able to clarify for you.
eBay is a different thing really, for most people it's not being used to run a full on business, but the government are now looking into it anyway so you might find them taxing any eBay earnings soon enough.
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RE: RE: Starting My Own Business
Dewetha | 16/04/2006 10:39 PM
I am able to offer some help on the business bank accounts, business banking is available for free at abbey (formally abbey national)
here is a link... http://www.anbusiness.com/
RE: Starting My Own Business
UniTechnology | 12/04/2006 12:24 PM
Hi Nick,
Please let me know if you need help with setting up your online site and start trading online.
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RE: Starting My Own Business
James Smith | 18/04/2006 09:30 AM
There isn’t really a threshold as such for what you need to earn before you declare it.
Technically ALL income is declarable if it is trading income. E-bay sales are fine IF you are simply selling off second hand items you already own. I.e. you are not trading. If you are specifically buying goods with the intention to resell this is a "trade" and reportable. Whether you sell on ebay or not it makes no difference at all. The same rules apply to ebay as any other trade, it is not a special case.
The only exception to this is if you don’t have a job or any other taxable income. In this case if you earn less than your personal allowance £5,035 for 2006/7 then the tax man won’t be very interested. If however you have a job AND a small trade on the side this income will be declarable as a “sole trade” on a self assessment tax return.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
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James Smith
Chartered Accountant
www.jamesesmith.co.uk
01235 536 773
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RE: RE: Starting My Own Business
seanpearman | 18/04/2006 10:23 AM
This market is very competitive! Will you beable to compete with the likes of play etc. As play trade from jersey, VAT is exempt on all their sales. (I think its jersey anyway)
I can supply most console games and accessories for 360,PS2,PSP, GB, GBA etc
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