LTA started this topic @ 12:04 on 14/10/2005
Hi all,
Haven't posted for a while (I assume James, and Lee from LimeOne are still around??) but our cashflow is continually being disturbed and messed about by small accounts that, to be honest, are taking the p***.
We currently have at least 3 accounts that have owed around £500 each - 1 for 12 months, the other 2 for 8 months, and even with all the calls (some nice, some not), letters (started out nice, now demanding payment), we have acheived nothing really. We have had the promises, and the excuses, when all we really want is our money.
What are our options (cost-effective and time wasted are our biggest concerns). Because we have upwards of £1500 tied up with these 3 (soon to be ex)customers, we cannot use those funds to plough back into our Co. when we need to.
Is it worthwhile pursuing these people any further? I would really like to - just on a moral basis if nothing else, because in my book they are petty theives and crooks - but 2 out of the 3 won't even speak to us anymore and the last time I managed to get in touch I had to use someone else's phone so they didn't know it was me calling!!
Help?!?!?!
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Kind Regards,
Martin @ LTA Leisure Ltd
enquiries@lta-leisure.co.uk
RE: Small debt collection and petty customers/theives
James Smith | 14/10/2005 03:33 PM
That’s certainly very old debt.
If you are sure the businesses are solvent I would be tempted to go for a small claims court claim so long as you can prove delivery and/or you have correspondence promising to pay. As you have 3 o/s you can play the % game in that if one pays it will cover the fees for all three.
Before you do this check them for CCJ's (although this is trickier than it used to be). If they have a string of them against their name then don’t throw good money after bad - they won’t pay yours if they have lots of others o/s. Lodging a CCJ is only a threat if the person wants to get credit.
If you have time you can use the online courts system to lodge yourself, however Lee will give you a lot more help. A nice letter from Lee may do the trick – some debtors only pay on a solicitors 'letter before action'.
Regards,
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RE: RE: Small debt collection and petty customers/theives
LTA | 14/10/2005 04:16 PM
Hi James (again!), Ian,
Many, many thanks for the replies. Yes it is old debt, and yes it shouldn't have got that way, and yes we have been taken advantage of and yes business is a STEEP learning curve where sometimes lessons learned in other business can be a dis-advantage in others. This is by far the most difficult business we have put together - for many reasons - and the one that has brought us into contact with mainly many small retail trade custlmers, sole traders, etc.
In the past we have worked with larger orgs. and Ltd co. etc. and by and large we have been sheilded from, to be honest, many, many people who should never be allowed to run a business (that's a nice way of saying what I'd like to say but can't!)
I'll drop Lee an email. I want our money, but I also want to set an example (I Guess) that, as a Co., we will not tolerate petty "theft" - which is what this is - and that if these people want to make their fortune, then they don't do it with our help and our money.
Thanks for the URL Ian - I'll look into it later.
The one thing we do intend to do is let as many people know as possible (in our line of business - it's a small world!!) about these low-life and not to do business with them....... or at least get CASH up front in future :-)
Regards
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Kind Regards,
Martin @ LTA Leisure Ltd
enquiries@lta-leisure.co.uk
RE: RE: Small debt collection and petty customers/theives
Michael L | 14/10/2005 04:23 PM
The key here is to run a simple credit check on all new customers prior to giving credit. If they have a history of CCJ's this will show in the report. If they are consistently late payers this will also show. I understand that it can be difficult to turn away business, but if the debt goes bad then the consequences for your cash flow and the future of your business can become serious.
As a matter of policy we tend to issue a 7 day demand for payment on any debt more than 90 days old. If there has been no response from this then we start court proceedings. At this point, we have managed to get payment. It is worth remembering that the implications of a CCJ can be far reaching, especially if they need to raise finance from the bank or elsewhere.
As James pointed out - costs can start to spiral, especially if you need to enforce the judgement.
Don't give credit - unless their credit score checks out - even that's no guarantee.
Creditsure.biz is the co we use, however, there are hundreds online - basic report £10 -£15. (just need to know how to interpret it!)
Michael
Ahika Design
RE: Small debt collection and petty customers/theives
emplaw | 14/10/2005 08:24 PM
Hi LTA,
Sorry to hear you have problems with your three late payers. Email us on info@limeone.com and we can get started for you in chasing them. Our head of debt collection John Dalton does not get messed with and normally his calls are enough to get a good idea of the chances of success.
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RE: RE: Small debt collection and petty customers/theives
LTA | 17/10/2005 09:33 AM
Hi Lee,
Thanks for that. Maybe I should post on here more often - one debtor appears to have paid up this weekend!! I obviously need to ensure that the payment actually clears!! but 1 down, 2 to go (maybe they read the startups forum???? .. and if you do, we're coming for OUR money!)
Lee, will mail you later offline thanks to talk about what you can do for us (hopefully!) and what we've done so far (fruitless though it has been!)
Regards,
Martin
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Kind Regards,
Martin @ LTA Leisure Ltd
enquiries@lta-leisure.co.uk
RE: Small debt collection and petty customers/theives
nikki | 17/10/2005 10:34 PM
Hi Martin
Hope that outstanding money is starting to come in!
I was in a similar position a few months ago with an invoice of over £500 o/s . Luckily I got the money by:
- sending a letter by registered post (ie they have to sign for it so you know it's been delivered)
- clearly stating that if the money is not received within 7 days I would be pursuing it through HM courts service
- stating also that if I had to pursue this option I would be adding the costs and interest to the amount outstanding.
Result = the cheque came through on day 6 and cleared OK.
I'm just about to send a simlar letter to a not very nice (former) customer who owes a lot less but, like you, I find the whole thing unpalatable and don't like being taken for an idot who provides work for free.
Nikki
www.nowletsgetstarted.co.uk
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