karma&chips started this topic @ 17:55 on 27/11/2005
Hi,
Myself and my business partner are on the brink of starting our own company. We have been offered finance by a very generous man (seemingly). But being quite new to this game we're unsure about how fair it is.
To start up, he believes we will need £75,000.00 and that this should cover us for the first four months, untill we start spinning our own profit. To raise this he suggests splitting the company into 100 shares and selling them off at £750 each, and bingo, we have the cash. Of course, the shares pay yearly dividends. If we meet ours (and his) projected turnover/profit for the first year, the return on investment for all financiers would be about 90%.
As newbie business starterisers, myself and my partner do not have the capital to buy significant amounts of shares in the startup. Things as they are would point to him and his co-financiers owning about 90% of the shares, if not more.
Now I have no issue with this in theory, and he is giving us the opportunty to buy shares ourselves and reap the same benefits from our work that he will (from not working!). What irks me is that a) within 18 months he will have gotten 100% or more return on his initial investment, and this money will continue rolling into him as long as we turn a profit through our blood, sweat and tears, and b) as time progresses we should be able to buy shares, but their value will have increased to a point where once again, we can't get a significant number.
It also sits a little uncomfortably with me because our new company would be a client of his existing companies, and as such, he would be paying himself twice for our work.
Is this normal financier behaviour? Could we fight for a better deal since we are the ones with the expertise, skills and contacts to make the company happen?
Does anyone think a contractual agreement could be reached whereby once he has recieved 150% or so return on his initial investment, a large portion of the shares are bought back by the company, reducing his stake to a third, or so, and increasing the capital of the company?
Hope someone can tell me if the deal spelled out above is normal and ethical behaviour, or if we are being bent over a barrel.
Thanks!
RE: Have finance, may quibble...
mattcaulfield | 27/11/2005 06:06 PM
Hi
Might seem like a daft question but have you tried all other means of financing your business? perhaps remortgage or a bank loan? 75k really isn't alot of money to raise for a serious business idea that works on paper.
To me this seems like your being bent over a barrel as he probably knows you could not afford to buy shares so in effect your handing over alot of your business for what really isn't a huge amount of money...for 75k id expect to give no more than 35% of the company.
In my eyes if i were to start a business and straight from the off do nearly all the work and be left with less than 50% i would seriously think again about financing and find another way.
RE: Have finance, may quibble...
Jonny | 27/11/2005 10:04 PM
Your idea, time, effort & energy are worth just as much as hard ££££.
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James Smith | 28/11/2005 09:44 AM
If you lose more than 50% of the company by definition you dont have overall control.
Fundamentally they can kick you out of "your" businesses if they see fit.
All you would be in practice is an employee with share options, prehaps with a notional directorship. The only thing that would be yours would be the stress of running the thing....
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RE: Have finance, may quibble...
tamaralyster | 29/11/2005 11:14 PM
Hi there,
I have to agree with the others here. It seems like a waste when you will be putting in all the blood, sweat and tears to a business that you have little to no control over.
If you own your own home and have enough value in it to remortgage and cover your 75k go for that. Or as already suggested get a business plan done and approach banks for a loan.
Good luck and I hope it all works out for you.
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RE: Have finance, may quibble...
LabRat | 02/12/2005 10:46 AM
I agree that anyone who is asking you to give up more than 49% of your company may not have your best interests at heart and it's my humble opinion you could find a deal that's going to be more beneficial to you.
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