We just post this topic to help people to identify a reliable company,and protect ourself. We are a Trading Company in China.Before we discuss this problem,we here state the troubled affair which happend on our company. We received the inquiry from D.M.K Research and Development Company in UK,they want to buy our portable dvd players.They said they will pay from their IOBS,as trust them and hope to build a long business relationship with them,we shipped the samples which valued USD1523.60,though we had not received their remittance then.because they said they need our help they won't lost fact to their customers if they can not get the samples. We believed they picked up our samples before Jun 23th/25th,2003. Then,they said all of our samples had failed in their test,the samples will be send back.That's so strange,for at least two specs has been selling in US market,why not failed in UK? we required a full testing report from them,but they can not offer.We were worried if there were some mistakes to this company,we try to called them,but a recorder answered. At least 10 days later,we got an email from their COE PETER LORRENSON,he said they had not got our emails... After that, we had not heard anything from them, despite the fact that we had sent them numerous e-mails requesting. Until we changed another email address to send message to them,we got a reply without the explanation of the remittance.It seems they won't pay for the samples or send it back.We could not believe that it has been done by a UK company. Life it too short to waste valuable time on inconsiderate company like D.M.K. They do not have integrity,we don't want to deal with these people,but post messages on internet from time to time. We are here publicize this company and ours below to certify this is verity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Reimer R&D Electronics Developer D.M.K Research and Development Company 1 Moss Lane Timperley Cheshire WA15 6TA England U.K Tel: 44 (0) 161 610 0699 Email: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com IOBS of D.M.K The Co-operative Bank PLC POX BOX 48 - 1 Balloon Street - Manchester M60 1GP Tel No: for Brian Walker is: 447773117160 Their COEETER LORRENSON, Their Senior PartnerIMON H.DE MEZA The employees include: THOMAS TREIMER,BRIAN WALKER,HELEN FORBES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our company is: Wuhan Xinghan international trading co, Ltd. 692 Jianshe Dadao,Wuhan,Hubei,China. 430015 Tel: 0086-27-85771296 Fax:0086-27-85771296 0086-27-83618066 Cell:0086 13027144777 email:whxhgjmy@yahoo.com I am agent concerned,Wu Jian Gang ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The part of emails were following: ====================================================================== Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:08:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "will w" <whxhgjmy@yahoo.com> | This is spam | Add to Address Book Subject: Re: dvd player To: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com Dear Sirs, How's flood in your area? I hope everything will be fine with you. As against our company in your mind, you should answer every emails from us, and give us your fax number, if email could not get through, you shoud try every ways possibly to keep in touch with us. In fact, you has always delayed to reply our any responses after you got our samples. Besides, you could not offer the full evaluating reports to us. So, we supposed you have refused to pay, but also would not like to send these samples back. Then you has broken our contract... If not, we still welcome you back to negotiate with us. We hope you will tell us the exact time, when we will get back these samples and the full evaluating reports. Looking forward to hear from you quickly.Thanks. Sincerely yours, Wu Jian Gang ======================================================================Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:52:01 +0100 Subject: Re: dvd player From: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com | This is spam | Add to Address Book To: "will w" <whxhgjmy@yahoo.com> DEAR WU, WE DO NOT HAVE A SIMON AT THIS COMPANY. BUT WE ARE NOW IN VERY DEEP WATER HERE AT OUR COMMPANY, DUE TO THE DEFECTIVE MERCHANDISE SAMPLES YOU HAVE SHIPPED AND SENT TO OURSELVES. NOT ONLY WITH THE COST OF THE TESTING FEES, TO FIND OUT THE PROBLEMS AND DEFECTS. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY OUR CLIENTS WE ARE WORKING WITH, ARE LOOKING TO ISSUE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS AGAINST OURSELVES. IT LOOKS AS IF WE MAY HAVE TO ISSUE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS AGAINST YOUR COMPANY, FOR MISREPRESENTATION AND DELIBERATELY SENDING DEFECTIVE GOODS WHEN KNOWING THE CONDITION OF THE GOODS AT THAT TIME. AS WELL AS CLAIMING ALL ADMINSTRATION AND TESTING HOUSE COSTS AT ?,000.00. YOURS SINCERELY Thomas Reimer R&D Electronics Developer D.M.K Research and Development Company 1 Moss Lane Timperley Cheshire WA15 6TA England U.K Tel: 44 (0) 161 610 0699 Email: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com The contents of this email are confidential to the intended recipient at the email address to which it has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than this addressee, nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error, please contact D.M.K Research and Development Company a UK based Commercial Design and Product Procurement company at 44 (0) 161 610 0699 quoting the name of the sender and the addressee and then delete it from your system. Please note that neither D.M.K Research and Development Company nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan the email and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of D.M.K Research and Development Company by means of email communications. Nor any opinions or remarks made by anyone on or behalf of the said company, can be accept by the owner of this company. ====================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 03:22:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "will w" <whxhgjmy@yahoo.com> | This is spam | Add to Address Book Subject: dvd player To: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com Dear Mr.Simon, I'm Wu from Wuhan Xhinghan international trading Co., Ltd, We actually have not taken anything to against your company. We realized that is a super serious thing if we have done. My American friend said that's credible to cooperate with a UK company. I wonder there are must be misapprehension between us. We have delivered the correct goods which was veritable worth we described on the invoice, and Mr. Thomas confirmed it before we delivered. Your picked up our portable dvd players for a very long while, we today still have not been paid. please kindly let us know what's the matter with our products. it's better you could submit a full evaluating report to us, and help us to improve our products. Please kindly send these products back if you would not like, and make freight will be paid at destination. we will take this shipping fee by ourself. Thanks. ================================================================ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:47:28 +0100 From: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: HBGK2009/XVC09923445RT DEAR SIRS, I HAVE JUST RECEIVED YOUR EMAIL MESSAGE. WE SENT YOU A FULLY STRUCURED EMAIL OVER 10 DAYS AGO REGARDING YOUR SAMPLES RECEIVED... PETER LORRENSON =============================================================== Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 11:33:04 +0100 From: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: INVOICE SAMPLE=REPLY I WAS OUT FOR MOST OF YESTERDAY. I WILL TAKE SAMPLES TO COURIER TODAY FOR SHIPPING BACK. ============================================================== Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 09:55:24 +0100 From: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: INVOICE SAMPLE=REPLY Dear Wu, I am sorry but your samples were not collected yesterday. They are due for collection this morning. I will confirm your tracking number then. =============================================================== Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:58:00 +0100 From: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: INVOICE SAMPLE=REPLY SORRY THAT I HAVE NOT REPLIED FOR THE LAST 2 DAYS, I HAVE BEEN AWAY UNTIL NOW. YOUR SAMPLES HAVE BEEN RE PACKED, AS THEY HAVE FAILED ALL THE LAB TESTS. THESE SHALL BE COLLECTED FROM OURSELVES EITHER ON THE 30TH JUNE OR 1ST JULY 2003, AND BE SENT TO YOU BY EXPRESS COURIER. WE SHALL CONFIRM THE AIRWAY BILL TRACKING NUMBER ONCE WE HAVE IT. ================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:28:35 +0100 From: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: INVOICE SAMPLE=REPLY DEAR WU, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH IOBS DEPT. THEY HAVE ASKED ME TO ASK YOU TO CONTACT THEM DIRECTLY IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. ================================================================ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:48:41 +0100 From: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: WHERE ARE OUR SAMPLES DEAR WU, YOU HAVE BEEN PAID NOW OVER 72 HOURS AND STILL WE HAVE NOT GOT OUR SAMPLES. I JUST KNEW IT, MORE MONEY THROWN AWAY ON A HEIST..... I HAVE THIS MORNING SPOKEN TO THE IOBS DEP, THEY HAVE GAURENTEED THAT THE REMITTANCE WAS RECEIVED BY YOURSELVES LAST FRIDAY. THEREFORE THIS SITUATION HAS BEEN REPORTED TO THE CHINESE EMBASSY IN LONDON AND TO THE BRITISH EMBASSY IN BEIJING. UNLESS WE HAVE A FULL RESPONSE TO WHY YOU HAVE WITHHELD THE GOODS. WE SHALL FORWARD TO TO DUNN AND BRADSTREET. REGARDS Simon H. de Meza The Senior Partner de Meza Design 1 Moss Lane Timperley Cheshire WA15 6TA England U.K Tel: 44 (0) 161 610 0699 Email: simon.demezadesign@ntlworld.com The contents of this email are confidential to the intended recipient at the email address to which it has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than this addressee, nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error, please contact de Meza Design a UK based Commercial Design and Product Procurement company at 44 (0) 161 610 0699 quoting the name of the sender and the addressee and then delete it from your system. Please note that neither de Meza Design nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan the email and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of de Meza Design by means of email communications. Nor any opinions or remarks made by anyone on or behalf of the said company, can be accept by the owner of this company. ================================================================ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:05:18 +0100 From: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: INVOICE SAMPLE THEY HAVE CONFIRMED THE SAMPLES ARE NOW IN TRANSIT, AND YOUR PAYMENT HAS NOW BEEN PASSED AND HAS BEEN SENT TO YOUR BANKER AT 10.41 HOURS U.K TIME. ==================================================================== Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:59:55 +0100 From: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: INVOICE SAMPLE I have had this morning a telephone call from the IOBS service providers senior securities department, advising me that your payment has been with held at their asian correspondence bank, as before funds are finally passed over to your bankers and account number, they do security tests on the documents presented to the IOBS payments department ====================================================================== Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:21:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Reply to DVD Portable Players=REPLY From: <technical.dmk@ntlworld.com> Dear Wu Jiang Gang, In reply to your message: IOBS This is not a company nor an organisation, but a type of service our bankers offer. It is just like a T.T, with the security of a Letter of Credit. This workings of this system are enclosed herein as an attached document. Firstly we send you a confirmed written order by email ( which we have done already and we send a copy to our bankers IOBS department ) Secondly: The IOBS department at our bankers then send you a confirmed notice that they have received our written purchased order. With security pin number, which you have attached to all documents you send to their department in claiming your payment, just like a letter of credit.Then you have to send a proformasales invoice which includes all the charges including the freight costs. Once our bankers have received this thet debit our bank account for the cost of the freight, as well as the already monies they have taken for the cost of the goods, as advised when we sent them the copy of the purchased document. Then once you have got all the goods packed and ready to ship, you draft the original shipping documents. 1 x sales invoice and 1 x delivery note and you have got from the freight company the ORIGINAL AIRWAY BILL DOCUMENT, you send all three (3) documents by email attached to the IOBS department of our bankers. And then within 48 hours to get paid, it is as simple as that. We cannot get hold of the goods until you get paid, end of story. I hope that this email provides you with all the infoformation you require. Yours sincerely Thomas Reimer R&D Electronics Developer D.M.K Research and Development Company 1 Moss Lane Timperley Cheshire WA15 6TA England U.K Tel: 44 (0) 161 610 0699 Email: technical.dmk@ntlworld.com The contents of this email are confidential to the intended recipient at the email address to which it has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than this addressee, nor may it be copied in any way.If received in error, please contact D.M.K Research and Development Company a UK based Commercial Design and Product Procurement company at 44 (0) 161610 0699 quoting the name of the sender and the addressee and then delete it from your system. Please note that neither D.M.K Research and Development Company nor thesender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan the email and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of D.M.K Research and Development Company by means of email communications. Nor any opinions or remarks made by anyone on or behalf of the said company, can be accept by the owner of this company. ==================================================================== Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:02:44 +0100 Subject: Re: Security Pin NUmber: Ref: HBGK2009/XVC09923445RT From: <iobs.remittances@ntlworld.com> Security Pin Number: HBGK2009/XVC09923445RT Dear Mr W.J Gang, We have today received from Messrs DMK Research & Development Co their money transfer in part for the goods ordered from your company, to total amount of US$1963.50. It is also advised that there is to be added a further amount to cover the freight charges to the buyers final delivery address. Of course we shall require your full bankers details to attach to the account system, so enabling funds to be transfered. Please take clear notice that all correspondence with ourselves must have attached the above stated IOBS security pin number at all times. As to the documents that are required to activate this financial trans-action is as follows: 1 x original sales invoice. Signed and stamped by a person of authoritory. 1 x original packing documents, itemising each product being shipped. 1 x copy of original Air Way Bill document, marked shipped clean on board. Once we are in receipt of these documents, we can execute the payment immediately via our automated remittance system. Yours sincerely Brian W. Walker. Dept: 7009 =====================================================================