bison started this topic @ 10:08 on 09/05/2004
I'm in the process of starting a new arm to a business run by a couple of friends who provide e-commerce solutions, my section will be selling domain names.
Although I'm UK based, my ethnographic research has shown that .com domains are normally considered to be larger companies and often provide a stronger on-line presence than .co.uk equivalents.
To start with, I'm offering the following, listed alphabetically. I've removed some of the country specific ones (which are aimed at our friends over the pond).
addfaq.com
allbenz.com
alleven.com
allputt.com
allties.com
aolpages.com
avdude.com
bemybank.com
bestsfx.com
betbigger.com
bidlord.com
bigsmash.com
bikewares.com
billzap.com
brandseal.com
brandtime.com
cameracut.com
cheesyfun.com
clubdoors.com
coaudit.com
codemate.com
coldit.com
coldsoda.com
cookgreek.com
cooldemon.com
crazycomp.com
cuppatime.com
dailydesk.com
deadbet.com
deadposh.com
dentaldeal
dicetoss.com
diveroom.com
ductware.com
dvdcavern.com
dvdsquare.com
dvmage.com
edgeofthe.com
etailhome.com
filmsave.com
finebet.com
fireagent.com
firerods.com
flyea.com
forelife.com
formywall.com
fuelload.com
funplates.com
getanyjob.com
girlietime.com
gotmodem.com
gotstores.com
grabhand.com
hotgarage.com
hpvalue.com
hydroflux.com
ibuygolf.com
icevirus.com
icyflames.com
ideadisk.com
ideapunch.com
irondevil.com
isforlease.com
jabbajobs.com
joeauthor.com
knockloud.com
lakestuff.com
launchkey.com
limodesk.com
locostweb.com
lostfilm.com
macrolove.com
maxidrug.com
musicroot.com
mybloom.com
mycarlife.com
mycurls.com
myownrock.com
mytyphoon.com
mywebchat.com
needaudio.com
nettitles.com
nicebelts.com
nitrotoys.com
nukedebt.com
ofbritain.com
omnigrade.com
ownpics.com
passnpay.com
pcfalcon.com
pctipster.com
pdqtravel.com
picknbid.com
pipejam.com
playacam.com
pressguy.com
puzzletop.com
quadnut.com
quickhols.com
racinghut.com
racingmax.com
rapidfish.com
readyfire.com
ridecare.com
ringseal.com
roomhunt.com
rudebeats.com
safestbuy.com
salesbins.com
salewanted.com
schoolmad.com
sevengods.com
sharefaq.com
sizehelps.com
slamzine.com
slimpoker.com
soccerbid.com
spinfinish.com
sportwedo.com
spotwelds.com
spylake.com
staffpix.com
tahitigolf.com
testwire.com
textvibes.com
thetoymall.com
thinkpop.com
throwdeep.com
tiledeals.com
tipngo.com
tourpal.com
trackbuys.com
tradegood.com
turfrace.com
tvhaven.com
tvtravels.com
twinbix.com
ukcodes.com
uploadcv.com
valleydtv.com
vegzone.com
videomage.com
vipzine.com
visualai.com
vwlovers.com
warmbreaks
webundle.com
weflyit.com
wetune.com
whatphoto.com
whatplane.com
youcanweb.com
yourlives.com
youskiing.com
zamboogie.com
Your thoughts on the idea, and the domains themselves, would be most appreciated. Naturally, if you'd like to buy a domain, then please feel free to drop me a line!
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RE: Domain name for your business?
Adam | 11/05/2004 12:23 AM
So you registered these domains with no use for them apart from holding someone to ransom that should be able to freely register these domains?
How much do you want for them?
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RE: Domain name for your business?
bison | 11/05/2004 01:09 PM
I'm open to reasonable offers. I have no intention of holding businesses 'to ransom', and there is a significant market in premium domain name sales.
If a new business is set on purchasing a particular domain name for their product or service, then they'll pay a fair price. If they don't have the budget, then they can go to the open market and buy a non-premium name at a normal domain-sale price (£5-£50, depending on your IT provider).
Any domains that remain unsold after a particular amount of time will be developmed by myself or my associates.
Kind regards
Alex
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RE: Domain name for your business?
nemesis | 11/05/2004 03:19 PM
alex
where have you seen people selling domains at £50 before? its daylight robbery for a new domain and no traffic
i too am dead against people buying up huge chunks of the internet and forcing startups to pay a premium for them. its really annoying finding a blank page on the domain but being told you have to pay £100 a year for the site or a one off of something stupid like £200
it isnt a service that you are providing as people can quite easily register these themselves nowadays and you can do it for about £3
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RE: Domain name for your business?
bison | 11/05/2004 06:47 PM
nemesis (and what an apt name that is!): I am not involved in selling new domain names, but I have seen adverts around the Web by unscrupulous domain name regristrars touting domains for those prices, and higher. Only recently, one was shut down for selling domain names with false extensions! (.BRIT and .USA, neither of which exist).
As you can clearly see, I'm not forcing anyone to pay anything, it is, after all, a free country! As for 'large chunks of the Internet', I think 160 domains versus the 30,000,000 domain names registered (and that's just .coms!) is barely a drop in the ocean. In comparison with someone like dotcomagency.com, I barely register on the atomic radar (they own over 20,000 domains).
I am targetting medium to large businesses, who have money to spend in marketing for individual products, services or even time-limited promotions.
As for buying a domain for "something stupid like £200", domains are regularly sold for many times that amount if they are worthy of a company's area of interest, particularly if they have a memorable name, rich in keywords - Google are paying more attention to keyword-rich domain names as part of their PageRank formula.
It surprises and disappoints me that, on a forum priding itself on helping new entrants to the business community, not a single constructive comment has been put forward.
However, if, as you are reading this, you are a business which has a positive interest in benefitting from a premium domain name, then please feel able to get in touch.
Kind regards
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RE: Domain name for your business?
nemesis | 11/05/2004 07:19 PM
ok my apologies if i was wrong but i thought you were trying to sell those domains to new startups as you are on the startups website??
large companies will have the budget to do this smaller ones will not
can you advise then what service your company offers to add value to these sites? ie if i am going to pay your asking price what do i get for my money
i can see what you are trying to say but can you see what i am trying to put across. if you didnt register all those domains a startup could register it for a few pound. if it was already taken then they could apply to the company that was genuinly using it to buy it at a "premium" price.
Id liken domain name buyers to people buying concert tickets up and then selling it to hapless punters on the door for 2-8X the proper amount.
perhaps you offer other services with this though that would actually add value to this?
btw i am just adding my viewpiont while still trying to be constructive feel free to argue your point but dont make it personal it wasnt intended that way and shouldnt be taken to that level
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RE: Domain name for your business?
Adam | 11/05/2004 08:14 PM
You say "If a new business is set on purchasing a particular domain name for their product or service, then they'll pay a fair price" A fair price is around £20 for a .com or £6 for a .co.uk direct from the registrar.
You say "go the the open market and buy a non-premium name at a normal domain-sale price" so if I was manufacturing irons, why do have the right to dictate that irondevil is a premium domain? Secondly whatever the definition is of a premium domain, it can be registered for the same registration fee.
You say "It surprises and disappoints me that, on a forum priding itself on helping new entrants to the business community, not a single constructive comment has been put forward" We are concerned with wealth creation businesses which benefit everyone, your "wealth creation" just benefits yourself at the cost of others.
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RE: Domain name for your business?
Kieron1 | 11/05/2004 09:49 PM
I've got to be honest, I'll be very surprised if you sell any of those names, at any price!
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RE: Domain name for your business?
Adam | 11/05/2004 10:01 PM
I could use girlietime and forward it to my being developed site www.leatherandtoys.com
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RE: Domain name for your business?
burty bassitt | 11/05/2004 10:36 PM
There are a couple that I'm interested in. Let me know a guideline price and I can see what can be done.
RE: Domain name for your business?
Adam | 12/05/2004 01:31 AM
For every domain offered there are hundreds of alternatives. I was limited with my student domain but I got round it with different combinations that I promoted so people knew it.
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RE: Domain name for your business?
bison | 12/05/2004 10:54 AM
nemesis: Thank you for your comments. I'm here because I'm a start-up, offering services to other start-ups. It seems to be a misconception that start-ups are always small - Start-ups don't have to be small if they have decent funding (£500k+), which I am targetting. Added value services can be supplied by the other part of the business, zero investment e-commerce solutions, zero cost website design, discounted hosting, to name but a few. With regard to concert ticket sellers, surely the case proves my point - the clientele should buy when prices are the opening market rate, if, later, when the market is closed, they still want to get onboard, then they will pay whatever it takes. That concept underpins the very foundation of capitalism. In China (a communist country), laws prohibit competitors from having differing prices - everything has to cost the same! Would that work here? No.
I'm learning a new trade for an established business, so that branch is being treated as a start-up, with only my personal time and investment going into turning it into a money-spinner, something I'm sure many forum users here have done or are doing.
Adam, a fair price is whatever someone is willing to pay for a product or service, there are all sorts of arguments both for and against each of our comments in academic writings on both Market and Social Efficiency within economics, but if you want to learn the theory, I won't go into it here (not enough words!). It's interesting stuff though.
Premium domain names are not always available at registrar fee level as larger businesses may make better owners of particular domains, the domain aftermarket is just as much of a chance for smaller businesses to snap up good domain names before some great behemoth vacuums them all up (as they occasionally do, like Amazon and eBay have recently started doing, and Microsoft never seems to stop doing).
Lastly, I am providing a service, or array of services - as any business does and yes, I want to make money, isn't that the goal of a capitalist society? I don't seek horizontal integration, there is an open market in this field and it's still a free country, so my conscience is perfectly clear
burty: have e-mailed you.
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RE: Domain name for your business?
simplycfhost | 12/05/2004 03:00 PM
I've bided my time reading this thread and I have to say I fall on the side of Bison.
The trade of domain names has been going on ever since domain names were available for registration and will continue for quite some time. There are unscrupulous companies out ther who will "cyber squat" and then charge the earth but the courts are more and more falling on the side of the business who is arguing they should have the domain name and the squatter is in the wrong.
There are several very high profile cases documented on this through Nominet and Icaan.
A point to note that Bison is making money for his business. If a company looked at his list of domains, saw one they liked but didn't like the price that Bison was selling it at, simply look for a variation, e.g. add-faq.com is free (or will be until bison registers it! [
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A domain is only worth what someone is willing to pay and underdeveloped, non-catchy or long domains are fairly low in value.
Let me ask a question. How much do you think the domain www.webmasteredge.com is worth? Without knowing anything about it, you would say nothing. In fact it sold last year to an American firm for over £7.5K!
The reason why is that it was drawing 250,000 page view per month. The traffic sold the domain and gave it it's value.
As long as Bison conducts his business in a fair way without trying to screw the little man for every penny, I don't see a problem...
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RE: Domain name for your business?
bison | 12/05/2004 06:06 PM
Thanks Phil, that's kind of you to say so and fair points made. I believe I am an ethical businessman and to have that called into doubt was a bit of a surprise to me.
I am aware of practices which have been publicised recently by domainers approaching businesses and falsely asserting that 'rivals' in their field are about to purchase a domain name in the domainer's posession for an extortionate fee - I disagree with that form of trade in any circumstance.
What I hope I've got is a batch of generic, key word rich domain names that could be applied to virtually any sort of business, along with a few fun ones for my own personal pleasure - but hey, if someone wants to buy that, I won't stand in their way!
I have had some interest in some of the domains I've listed and am happy to negotiate prices, terms and of course, additional freebies should anyone else wish to get in touch.
Thanks again
Kind regards
Bison
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RE: Domain name for your business?
worldsoftcom.com | 13/05/2004 11:24 AM
I got my .co.uk for 1.99pounds/year, .com for 9.99pounds/year professional business hosting with 24 hours telephone support at 5 pounds per month, website design starting from 250 pounds one time. www.eseio.co.uk.
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RE: Domain name for your business?
marketeer | 13/05/2004 04:53 PM
quote:
[i]Originally posted by worldsoftcom.com[/i]
[br]I got my .co.uk for 1.99pounds/year, .com for 9.99pounds/year professional business hosting with 24 hours telephone support at 5 pounds per month, website design starting from 250 pounds one time. www.eseio.co.uk.
Whilst on another thread you are asking a web developer to contact your company "eseio". So according to the above you managed